November 9, 2013
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Welcome to Moving Forward. This is your host, Emily McGrath, and I am so excited to have our guest speaker here. Her name is Tina Game. She is a creativity and life purpose coach and also an author of a fantastic book
named ‘Journaling by the Moonlight: A Mother’s Path to Self Discovery.’
Hi, Tina, how are you?
Tina: Hi, Emily. I’m doing great. Thank you so much for having me on your show today.
Emily: Thank you for being here. This is such a wonderful… I’m so glad that you’re here with us, because this book is just amazing.
Tina: Well thank you.
Emily: Can you give us a little background on how you came up with this book?
Tina: Absolutely. It’s an interesting way that this all came about.
Because I have a background in communications, writing, broadcast journalism, all that wonderful stuff.
The way the book came about I took a few years off to have my kids and, you know, doing the stay at home mom thing. But, it began a little rocky. My son was born in 1999. At that time I really thought I can kind of swing both of these, having a full time career and being a full time mom, and was really convinced that I could do both of them.
However, life had other plans for me. My son came into the world with some very minor health issues, but they were enough that I had to make a choice between staying at home with him for the first couple of years of his life just so his immune system could build up enough so that he could
be in day care programs and things like that. I thought okay two years I can do that.
But, what I wasn’t planning for though, Emily, is I made the decision to leave my very successful career at that time, and shortly after I made the decision my husband had an opportunity to join a brand new startup company which required us to relocate to another area of the country.
Emily: Oh, wow.
Tina: So, there were a lot of transitions all happening at once. Here I am a new mom. I’m leaving my job. A lot of things were happening all at one time. I thought, again, I can do this. This is an adventure.
Tina: So, we moved. We got settled. What happened to me, I call this kind of an identity crisis. I had one. When we moved and got settled everything was going well for the first couple of months.
Then, I realized my goodness I’m in a whole new area of the country. My husband’s out working, and he was out of the house. It was my son and me, and I knew no one.
I went on an adventure to join various little play groups and things like that, but it wasn’t as easy as I expected that it would be. I felt all these things kind of happening. My son and I began to spend more time
together just the two of us just because of varied circumstances. I ended up falling into depression.
Emily: Oh, my.
Tina: This went on. Actually, the depression went on for quite a while. I lost myself in this role of being mother, in this role of trying to make all these things work in my life. I wasn’t really prepared for that.
What I can tell you is this happened going into 2001. So, it was about a two year cycle that this all happened. What I can tell you now in 2013 is that everything happens for a reason. I can look back now and look to see why that happened and really kind of see how my life changed as a
result of going through the depression, the identity crisis.
I ended up… I’ve always been an avid journal writer all of my life, so I went back to my journals during that time. I wrote a lot. There were a lot of things emotionally going on for me. I can also say, I don’t know for sure but I do believe that there was a little bit of post partum depression probably happening. I never was diagnosed with that, but I certainly, looking back at it, had some symptoms of that.
Tina: All of these life changes all happening at once wreaks havoc on your emotional system. So, I did a lot of journal writing. The book came about later on after I got through the period and realized just how much journal writing had helped me. The moon kind of came in because I remember my son did not sleep through the night until he was two years old…
Emily: Oh my gosh.
Tina: …just because of his varied health issues.
Tina: So, I did not get a good night’s sleep for two years. I remember having very interrupted sleep on top of everything else. Every night I would wake up. He would get up, and I’d get up with him and put him back down.
Night after night after night of doing this I remember just crying. There were some nights I would just cry because I was so tired. I was so lost. I was so confused. I was so frustrated.
I’d grab my journal, and I would go to this one particular chair by this window that we had at the time in this house we were living in. I would sit there, and I’d look out the window, and I’d watch the moon. Doing this night after night and writing in my journal, what I started noticing
is that the moon has her phases just as we do as human beings.
We go through these phases. Whenever we go through any type of life transition we go through phases of being in darkness, as I was. That’s the new moon, being in this dark place. Then, gradually discovering things about ourself and moving into light. Then, once we get into the light really understanding what that’s about, what that means to us, and making choices from that very light filled space rather than that dark filled space.
It led me on this journey with the moon. Many, many years later I remember writing articles. Again, having a background in communications and writing and journalism, I began writing articles because it was something I could do from home and continue doing this for various websites and publications.
All of a sudden I remember talking to a colleague of mine who was a friend at the time, but then we started doing some work together. She said to me, “Do you realize you’ve got a book here?” I mean if you go back through and read some of your articles, and you start to string them together, you’ve got a book. I said really?
I sat down. I pulled all the articles together. I started getting these aha’s and these insights which led me to pulling the journals I had from those two years of depression. I pulled them off the shelf. I started reading what I’d written.
I realized I went through a process. I went through this very intuitive, very organic process of my own which was through the moon phases and journal writing. So, when my friend said that to me I just started putting two and two together.
Tina: That’s what led me to put it together in the way that I did and to call it ‘Journaling by the Moonlight: A Mother’s Path to Self Discovery.’ Because I was discovering myself all over again…
Tina: …through journal writing and through the moon phases.
Emily: Wow. That’s so fascinating. I love the way that you bring the moon into it. I just think that is so cool.
Because I have never really thought of the moon changes and then putting it with journaling. Because journaling is such a great outlet. Just some of the things that you have in your book, especially like the blanket experience, I love that. Because I got so much out of it. You think of all of the layers that you have and it’s like wow no wonder I’m overwhelmed.
Tina: Yeah, yeah. I’m glad. That’s one of my favorite exercises. It was something that came to me.
When I was going through that really rough time I remember having dialogues with my mom. We would have these talks about she raised four children. As you saw, Emily, I dedicated my book to my mother. I had these rich dialogues with my mother.
Like many of us, many women that I know, I had a rocky relationship with my mom growing up. It was that experience of going through two years of depression, and really going to my mom, and talking to her about what was going on for me, it was almost like a door opened up.
She said to me you know this is amazing really, because I went through so many of these types of experiences. I said you did. It opened up a whole new door to a relationship…
Tina: …yeah, that I had with my mom that I’d never had before.
So, the blanket exercise really came to me from these dialogues I had with my mom when she would say to me well, if you think about it, all these years you’ve been this, and you’ve been this, and you’ve been this. And, when you take those labels off, when you’re no longer this, this, and this, who are you?
Emily: Yeah, that’s fantastic.
Tina: I bring that in because I think particularly as moms, and dads too, but I know moms we feel as women we feel things so much deeper. Not saying that men don’t feel, because they certainly do, but sometimes to the
depth that we do. I know with being a mom I wasn’t aware until those dialogues with my mom just how many labels I’d been walking around with in my life. When they started to peel off it was like walking around with a name tag that says ‘Hello my name is.’
Tina: Rather than my name being Tina, I had all these other names. I was this, and I was that, and this and that. When all those labels started coming off I felt naked. I felt raw.
Tina: I fell apart. This happens. I’ve worked with so many moms through my work in this book. It is amazing some of the stories I get from moms about what it feels like when they start taking all the labels off. They realize exactly what you just said, Emily, that oh my gosh now it makes sense why I’m so overwhelmed. Or, it makes them feel naked like it did me. I felt completely naked, like I didn’t know who the heck I was…
Tina: …without all these labels.
Emily: Right. With our program we deal with divorced individuals. How would this book help women and moms in general coping with that pain and
trying to reconnect with their children? Because I know that helped me reconnect with my son. How would that help our listeners?
Tina: Working through the book, I’ve got a lot of different journaling exercises. I also have a card deck, Emily, which I know you’ve got a copy of, too. It’s a deck of 54 journaling prompt cards. It takes you through each of the moon phases. So, like a divorce, like having a new
baby, or relocating, or even losing a parent…
I mean I lost my mother very suddenly just a year and a half ago. That was a whole other transition I had to go through.
Emily: Sure, right.
Tina: But, anytime we go through a transition… I know that you’re working with divorced women, divorced moms. If you think about being married to someone for X amount of years, and you just naturally blend. You have a life with this person.
Then, all of a sudden things are changing. You’re realizing that whether you make the decision, or the partner makes the decision, or you make it together, things are kind of separating. You’ve walked around for a
really, really long time with this label, going back to the blanket exercise, with this blanket on, as a married woman.
Now, all of a sudden you’re no longer a married woman, so that blanket comes off or that label comes off. What does that feel like when you don’t have this identity as a married woman?
Once you go through a divorce all of these things begin to change. I mean different partners, we all have different relationships with our partner. A lot of times there’s a money scenario involved. The things change around money. The kids, the big thing is of course the children.
Tina: The children all the sudden are dealing with parents living in separate homes. They’re kind of going through this transition of going from this house into this house, or whatever the arrangement might be. So, there’s a whole lot involved.
I think the biggest piece of wisdom that I would share with any woman going through a divorce with any of these exercises is to really, before you make any big decisions, take some time to connect with who you are underneath all of this rubble. Any time we go through a transition we’re
underneath a lot of rubble, underneath a lot of rocks.
Tina: It’s really important, when we’re making life changing decisions going through divorce and really deciding what we do from there, that we make it from as much of a light filled place as possible.
That’s not always ideal, certainly, because some things move quicker than others, decisions and things. But, it’s so important to really connect with who you are as a woman. This is an opportunity. I’ve always seen any type of transition takes us to a crossroad.
Tina: When we’re in that crossroad and we’re not sure do we go left, do we go right, do we go straight, what do we do, it’s real important to really allow yourself to be in that crossroad for as long as you can allow yourself to be.
Tina: Really connect with who you are.
Emily: [Inaudible 0:14:14]
Tina: When you take off all of these labels, when you’re really thinking about yourself, when you really go to what is it that I want out of this and really think about yourself.
Tina: Whenever we ride on an airplane… If you think about what they tell you – in the event of an emergency you put the air mask on yourself first…
Tina: …before helping your child or someone else. It’s very important to take care of yourself first so that you can fully be there for others.
This is something that moms don’t always do a great job at. Because we want to take care of everybody else. We want to make sure everybody’s feelings and emotions are all taken care of.
Tina: And, we often forget about our own. I really want to just stress how important it is to be with ourselves. Even if you’re going through a divorce, if you have to ask for some help with the kids, go off with yourself for a few hours a day, a weekend. Take your journal and just be with you.
Tina: Cry as much as you need to. Do whatever you need to do to really connect with who you are, looking forward and thinking that you’re getting ready to make some life changing decisions for yourself that will ripple out for your children. Everything we do with moms is a pebble in a
pond. Any decision you make or any emotion you feel, you’re going to toss it into the pond and it’s going to create ripples.
Tina: Do we want to create those ripples out of an angry energy, or a resentful energy, or any energy that’s not as positive? Do we want to create those ripples from that energy, or would we rather create it from a place of wholeness and love? We really have to allow ourselves to connect with ourselves as women first and foremost. That’s what I would say to any woman…
Tina: …going through a divorce. Really give yourself some time before you go and jump into making a lot of decisions really quickly.
Emily: Right. Because you’re not in the right mindset. I’m glad you brought that up, because I talk about that a lot on my podcast. You really need to take care of you and self care.
This is an excellent way to do that with your book. Because you have that space right in there to journal right in the book. You can keep that and date it. I’ve dated everything that I entered into your book. Just
being able to go back and see where was I at this time and where am I now…
Emily: …and just reflect on that. I think that’s just fantastic.
Tina: Yeah, it is, and this is the beauty of journal writing. This is what helped me write this book. Even going back to my own journals, really going back to where I was when I was here, and all of the things I was feeling when I was in a dark place.
I wanted to share, Emily, if I could, because my work is based on the moon phases, the first natural phase of the moon is the new moon phase. That’s the dark moon. We don’t really see it when we look up at the night sky unless we get out a telescope and really zoom in. Then, we can see the outline of it.
But, it’s there. The moon is always there. Even when we can’t see it it’s there. The same is true with our emotions. The same is true with who we are as human beings. The core of who we are is always there. It doesn’t
matter how many labels we’re wearing, or how many blankets we have wrapped around ourselves, or what transition we’re going through, the core of who we are is there.
The potential for light is always there. I want to share a quote that I love to use when I’m working with women and they’re coming to me in this place of darkness, this place of being in the crossroad. It’s by Elisabeth Kuber-Ross. It speaks really to these new moon darker energies. It says, ‘People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out. But, when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within.’
Emily: Oh, wow.
Tina: Before we go forward, in the case of going through a divorce, it’s important that we connect as much as we can with that inner light, as much as we can to really connect with the questions of I’m a mother, but who am I really?
Tina: I’m a woman getting ready to go through a divorce, but who am I really?
Tina: I’m a woman getting ready to move across the country, but who am I really?
Tina: Really going under all of that stuff to really connect with the light who we are. Once we can connect with that, then we can begin to make some really good choices for ourself, for our kids, for our family, whatever the case is.
Going back to the pebble in the pond, this… Like you said, you’re just not in the right mindset always to make decisions quickly. Because a lot of times when we make real quick decisions right after divorce they come from all kinds of emotions – anger, resentment, frustration. Whatever it is it’s not coming from the best place. It is important to take some time for yourself to connect with that light from within.
Emily: Right, right. I think that’s so true. It helps in any aspect of your life, too, because then you have that mindset. You have all that junk cleared out of there and written down. You can go back to it if you want, but it’s out there. That’s what I love about that.
Tina: Right, yeah. The other beautiful thing about journal writing, and particularly in the way you were describing with my book, it is important to write things down. Because here’s what happens. When we really sit and we’re with our journal, or you’re with my book, or anything really, you’re sitting down and you’re writing how you feel, there’s a natural slowing down process that happens when we’re writing that doesn’t always happen when we’re speaking.
One of the things that I have done in the past when I have worked with women who are wanting to save their marriages, I invite them to keep a marriage journal. When you can’t have a conversation with someone else because there’s a lot of emotion – whether it’s yours, or theirs, or both
of whomever – it’s hard to have a dialogue where anybody’s really listening. Because you want to get your point out.
What I invite women to do in any circumstance is to write down how they feel. There’s a journal exercise that I have. I’ve got it weaved into the book. I know I have it weaved into the cards.
I call it a mind dump. This is basically like dumping out everything you feel, getting it all out – good, bad, and ugly, putting it out all on the page. It’s like going into a cluttered room, and there are so many boxes you don’t even know where the heck to begin.
Tina: What I invite women to do is to go into their cluttered mind, this mind with all these mixed emotions about going through a divorce, and just dump it all out on the page. This might be a piece of writing that you
may not share with a partner, but it’s very helpful for you to go through everything you’re feeling…
Tina: …and write it all down. Because what happens when you’re writing it down and everything’s slowing down you begin to connect a few things. You begin to notice sometimes your own patterns. You begin to notice something that maybe you weren’t allowing yourself to feel or maybe
something that should be said that you’ve been holding back on. There are all these rich nuggets that kind of come when we’re slowing down.
So, when we’re writing, and all that’s slowing down, and you’re getting all this on the page, then what I invite women to do after they’ve dumped it all out to set the journal aside, go off for a few hours, maybe even a couple of days. Then, come back and pick the journal back up and
reread what you’ve written. Grab a highlighter, because you’re going to be in a different place…
Tina: …in a couple of hours or a few hours. When you start to reread what you’ve written you’re going to see it from a different lens. You might experience things a little differently.
You want to have a highlighter because you might want to highlight a few things. There’ll be a few things that will feel important. There’ll be a few things that feel okay I don’t need that any more. You can begin to start to clear things. Then, the next entry you make will be from a step
that’s a little further along in the healthy process.
Again, like clutter in a room, you go in. You start to go through the boxes. You realize you don’t need everything in the box. You’re going to keep these things. You’re going to let go of these things. Then, you go to the next box.
The same is true with the mind clutter and the emotional clutter. Everything that you are feeling, you’re so wound up.
Tina: Because who wants to go through a divorce? It’s not a very good experience really…
Tina: …for anybody. When we can really sort through those boxes, if you will, of emotions and stuff then we can decide what to keep and what to let go of so that we can move forward in having a dialogue with this person. Having some form of dialogue where we can really talk about some things.
How do we do this, and how do we do that? How do we share the kids and have these really healthy conversations? Journal writing is extremely helpful for any type of transition and especially going through a divorce.
Emily: Right. I actually did this dumping exercise. It was amazing. I couldn’t believe what all came up from it. It’s like wow, okay, this is going on because this is happening. Those connectors were there. It’s like oh my gosh. Okay, now that I see this I can look back and see how can I make it different, how can I change it to something positive. It was just a really great experience.
Tina: Yeah. It really is. I have friends of mine who are therapists. I’ve talked to them quite a lot about the journal writing process. They love it, again, for the reasons that I shared with you. Because it does slow people down. It slows you down. It gives you a chance to really dump it all out and to really look at your own contribution.
We never want to think that when we’re going through a divorce, for example, well we’ve done anything wrong. It’s been the other person.
Tina: But, you know, the truth is in anything it doesn’t matter what
we do. Everything is always a partnership, everything.
Tina: Whether it’s a partnership with ourself, whether it’s a partnership with another, or a partnership with a child that we’re raising, there’s always a coming to the middle of understanding of really trying…And, as your kids get older… I mean mine are now in middle school. One’s getting ready to start high school.
Tina: The older the kids get they start to understand…
Tina: …and you’re teaching them that coming to the middle and really letting go of some stuff, if you will, that’s no longer serving the dialogue… Just the awareness my friends that are therapists share with me
all the time that when they’re meeting with a couple and they can’t even talk to each other, this is where the journal writing comes in.
This is where one’s handed this journal, one’s handed this journal, they write separately, and then once they get a lot of that clutter out of the way then there’s a joint journal where they begin to write to each other through the journal.
Tina: Because if we think a little more – when we write we’re thinking a little bit more – we’re not yelling and screaming.
Tina: We’re thinking a little bit more about what we’re saying, because we can see it on the page. We’re reading our own words. We begin to think about how to put something out there, both parties, where it can be received in the way that it’s intended.
Tina: Journal writing is very, very powerful.
Emily: Absolutely. For women who are listening, is there any type of mother who should be looking into your book and contacting you? Is there any group that should not? Is there a limitation?
Tina: Oh, absolutely not. In fact, what I am discovering is I have a lot of women and men who have read the book and written through the questions. For any woman listening, whether you have kids or not, all of these journaling prompts will work for you.
Tina: All you have to do is replace the word mother with the word woman…
Tina: …and just rephrase some of the questions with just other things. They’re very easily… You can just take out things that are maybe more kid related and replace it with something else, like maybe your dog. You could always replace some with different things and make it work for you.
I’ve had men, in fact I’ve got three men right now. A couple of them have taken some of my journal writing courses and stay in touch with me all the time. Whenever I send out a newsletter I know I can count on these three men to always give me a nice response and want to update me on what’s going on with them.
I think anybody that picks up this book can connect with journaling through the moon phases. Each moon phase represents a different energy. As I received it based on my experience what I did is took each moon phase and
connected it to a particular phase of the transition process. With any transition you’re going through, all moms… I mean I have a lot of empty nester moms that come, and they’re dealing with this identity crisis.
Tina: Their kids have moved on. There’s this awareness that oh my gosh what do I do. What do I do? They don’t realize how much of themselves they put into their kids all these years.
Tina: Now the kids aren’t there any more, so they feel lost.
Tina: Yeah. I mean dads, too. There’s a whole lot. I have the three men I was talking about. All three are dads.
Tina: There’s this awareness when kids move on or things are going on you don’t realize just how much your kids were a part of your life…
Tina: …until they’ve moved on with their own. Then, you’re like oh, you know. I have no limitations at all on this process for anybody. You can use it for anything – if you’ve just lost your job. We all know when we lose our job and it’s unexpected… Again, that’s a whole identity crisis.
Tina: Because for so long you’ve been working in this job. All of a sudden it’s not there. What do you do?
It helps you really get to the core of who you are, what you’re about, so that you know going forward what can you be looking for, what jobs should you be looking for. This is an opportunity for you to go in a whole different direction if you want to.
Tina: It really brings to light this power in a crossroad. When you come to that crossroad, no matter what it is that’s brought you there, this is an opportunity for you to connect with yourself on such a deep level so that when you decide what direction you’re going in you know that it’s not from a place of reactive energy. It’s in a place of proactive energy. It’s in a place of being positive and being more connected with who you are and making different choices about how you live your life. It’s perfect really
Emily: I love that. That’s wonderful. When I was reading it I was in a pretty good space. If a woman or a man comes and they’re just in the depths of despair, how long does it usually take to get out of that through your book?
Tina: It really depends actually. I’ve got the book and the whole process set up through nine moon phases.
Tina: It depends on when you show up. What will happen is you’ll find yourself kind of getting caught up in one of the moon phases. Whatever moon phase it is where you need the most work or the most healing, you will spend some more time there than the others.
Tina: For example, if we were to look… The new moon, of course, that’s a biggie for people. Because when you come into this process in the very beginning it’s the new moon. So, there is this awareness that you’re in darkness. It just depends on how honest a person is with themselves…
Tina: …on that darkness. If you’re not going to be honest with yourself …
Tina: …and you’re going to be in denial…
Tina: …you might get a little tangled up in that cycle, because you’re just not willing to admit to yourself that you’re in denial.
Emily: Sure. I think that’s a big key right there is being honest…
Emily: …with yourself. Because if you don’t, like you said, you get tangled up, and then you get stuck. Then, you can’t move forward. It’s just a cycle.
Emily: That’s a good thing to bring up.
Tina: Yeah, it really is. Any of these moon phases… Like the second moon phase, the waxing crescent, it’s about who are you really. Once you’ve gone through that whole new moon and you really connected with yourself, you’ve been very, very honest, you’re in that dark room. You don’t know where the light is. You just know you’re in a dark room.
When you have been honest with yourself that you’re sitting in darkness then you can move on to the second moon phase which is the waxing crescent which is where you begin to see a little bit of light. That’s where I ask the questions who are you. When we go and take all these labels off, who are you?
Tina: A person can get really stuck there if they really have not allowed themselves to take off all those labels, or it’s the first time they’ve ever done that exercise. They can get really stuck.
Emily: Sure, I can see…
Tina: You know.
Tina: Yeah. Any of these moon phases, if you were to go through any of them it really just depends. I won’t go through all of the moon phases here. But, the very next one which is the third moon phase is the first quarter. When you look up at the sky at night you’re going to see a half moon coming from the right or maybe the bottom depending on where you are on the Earth. Because it tilts a little differently. That one is all about guilt and resentment.
Tina: So, if you’re holding on to guilt and resentment you’re going to get caught up in there if you’re not being honest. If you’re really not looking at that for what it is and willing to shift through it, then you can get really caught up in that moon phase.
Tina: It just depends. Going back to what you said, Emily, if you’re in a place where you’re willing to step into this process and be completely honest, you can move through it fairly quickly. But, if there’s any part of this process or any of these moon phases where you’re just not quite ready to be honest, you might get caught up in it.
You may find yourself really feeling these energies around some of the questions I asked, and you may not be willing at that moment to answer them. You’ll put the book down. You’ll go off, and you’ll do whatever you’re going to do. You might come back in a few hours, a few days, a few weeks, a few months. It really depends on you.
Tina: It’s all about honesty.
Emily: Right. If anything it’s almost like you put into it what you get out.
Emily: Where could our listeners find this book and get in contact with you if they have any questions?
Tina: I have a couple of different websites. For the book exclusively you can go to journalingbythemoonlight.com. If you’re interested in buying the book and the card deck you’ll see a tab there that says about the book.
I’ve also got a really nice book trailer there that you can watch. It just talks about my own story and how I came about the book, how it all came to me. It’s a really good video I think. I think a lot of people watch the video and can see themselves in that video.
I invite you to go to journalingbythemoonlight.com. Watch the video on the home page. If you are motivated or moved in any way to buy the book you can go to about the book and you’ll read all about the book and the card deck there.
It’s also available on Amazon if you wanted to buy them separately. I’ve got them packaged actually on my website so you can buy them together.
Tina: For those of you if… This does happen. I want to respect where anybody’s coming from. If you aren’t resonating so much with the mother… This book was originally written for mothers, although you can
pick it up and just cross out the word mother and write father, man, whatever you want to write.
If you can’t quite get past that – and that’s fine, I will certainly be okay with that – then I invite you to go to lifepurposelegacy.com. It’s a little bit more advanced, the work I do over there, because it takes you a little further along in the process.
However, you can go over there and get very similar process, because I do everything… Anything I put out in the world, it doesn’t matter what it is, my business program, my new moon beginning program, my money program, it doesn’t matter what I’m putting out there, I take everything through the moon phases.
Tina: You can always go to lifepurposelegacy.com and take a look at what I’m offering over there. Maybe it’s something more specific. Maybe there’s some money challenges going on for you perhaps that you just want a
little bit of support and understanding. What’s this all about? A lot of us are living money stories every single day.
Emily: Oh yes, yes.
Tina: We inherit a lot of these stories and beliefs about money. Either one of those websites depending on where you are and what you are moved toward, journalingbythemoonlight.com or lifepurposelegacy.com.
Emily: Okay, great. Thank you for being here with me, Tina. This has been wonderful. I hope my listeners learned a lot from you. Actually, I know they did, because you have so much to offer.
Tina: Well, thank you, Emily. This has been a delight, and I appreciate you having me on today.
I just also want to say I was aware that I was joining you this afternoon. My family, we had this beautiful walk today, and I was thinking just about this dialogue and how passionate I am with anybody really going through a transition of any kind – motherhood, divorce, job, anything, just how passionate I am about this work.
I thank you very, very much for having me on today. I hope to connect with some of your listeners.
Emily: Absolutely. I am so grateful to have you here, because you can really hear your passion and that you’re so dedicated to helping these people with their transitions.
Tina: Yeah, yeah, I am. I’m dedicated to really just spreading the light in the world. Just seeing people this afternoon… I’m always so mindful when I pass people whether it’s on a nature trail, or in a store, or at the beach. I’m looking for smiles.
Tina: I’m looking for the light in someone’s eyes. That’s why I’m so passionate about meeting people at the crossroad…
Tina: …whatever that crossroad is and really helping them connect with themselves on a deeper level and really helping them bring that light into their own life.
Emily: Right, that’s wonderful. Well, I hope you have a great week. Thank you again for joining us.
For those listeners, thank you for joining us. If you have any questions you can reach me at firstname.lastname@example.org or my website freedomfromheartache.com.